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'''Feb 25 2009''' *'''[[User:Philip McIntosh]] 21:55 (CST)''': | |||
Characteristics of prototype power supply built by Phil McIntosh: | |||
* 60-115VDC | |||
* Max current without cooling fan: 250mA@115VDC, 80mA@60VDC (estimated) | |||
* Max current with cooling fan: 300mA@115VDC (estimated), 110mA@60VDC | |||
* Includes onboard analog ammeter and digital voltmeter (not installed yet) | |||
* 0.6A fuse protection on output of input transformer | |||
* Based on Texas Instruments TL783 125VDC regulator (Figure 18 design in product data sheet) | |||
* Estimated cost of parts (without enclosure): $75. | |||
''' Figure 5. TL783 Prototype on perf board''' | |||
[[Image:LM783_100mA_60-115VDC.jpg]] | |||
''' Figure 6. TL783 Prototype under bench test''' | |||
[[Image:PS_Experiment_on_Phils_Bench.jpg]] | |||
'''Jan 31 2009''' *'''[[User:Jonathan Cline|jcline@ieee.org]] 15:53, 31 January 2009 (EST)''': | |||
Minimum Specs for open gel system 2.0's P/S. | |||
* Must be totally enclosed | |||
* Must work with 110/220 VAC input | |||
* Must work with 50Hz/60Hz AC input | |||
* Outputs two fixed voltages: | |||
** "FAST" setting is a fixed voltage anywhere in the range 90v-120v | |||
** "SLOW" setting is a fixed voltage anywhere in the range 50v-60v | |||
** These two voltages can be on a single connector (1 pair of banana plugs) or on separate connectors (2 separate pairs of banana plugs) | |||
** These output voltages do not need extensive filtering, as output ripple does not matter. | |||
* Must use red and black banana plug connectors | |||
* Must be capable of continuous 100 mA load | |||
* Must include either resettable CB protection or thermal protection; shutoff when electronics are over temperature or over voltage | |||
* Must have a 2nd DC peripheral supply, rated +12V to +18V @ 5W, to supply power to 4*LED illuminator units (each are 0.4W). | |||
** Output plug on the 2nd peripheral supply should be a medium-sized barrel connector with outside connection as ground. | |||
* May have a 3rd DC peripheral supply, rated +5V @ 5W, to supply generic logic circuits (like microcontroller boards). This supply could eliminate clutter when using several peripherals. | |||
** Output plug on the 3nd peripheral supply should be a different connector than the 2nd supply, to avoid mixing up the 2nd & 3rd supplies when connecting peripherals. | |||
'''Jan 08, 2009, 10:34 PM''' | |||
'''Specification Discussion''' | |||
After talking to a number of people and reading the various discussion threads I propose the following specification for the Power Supply. | |||
Edit each line to place a y (agree) or an n (disagree) for each of the line items. You do not need to justify any n's. | |||
Feel free to add a line item you feel is important. | |||
When all interested parties have had their "vote" we'll revisit and discuss any that have too many n's. | |||
:: *'''[[User:Jonathan Cline|jcline@ieee.org]] 15:53, 31 January 2009 (EST)''': see new specs above | |||
* Must be totally enclosed (y)(y) | |||
* Must work with 110/220 VAC input (y)(y) | |||
* Must work with 50Hz/60Hz AC input (y) | |||
* Single channel 20-120 VDC output voltage, variable in 10 V steps (y)(y, at least) | |||
* Must use red and black banana plug connectors (y)(y) | |||
* Must have a voltmeter display (y)(y) | |||
* Must be capable of continuous 300 mA load (y)(y, at least) | |||
:: TBD; current max requirement needs verification/calculation. Lower current would allow simplified design. | |||
* Must employ resettable CB protection (y) | |||
* Must include thermal protection; shutoff when electronics are over temperature | |||
* Should have a secondary +12V @ 300(?)mA output for connecting peripherals (fan, pump, etc) | |||
:: CPU-size fan draws ~170mA. Pump draws (?) mA. | |||
'''Jan 06, 2009''' | '''Jan 06, 2009''' | ||
What we need: clean, stable, variable DC at 20V-100V, adjustable (possibly up to 600V). | What we need: clean, stable, variable DC at 20V-100V, adjustable (possibly up to 600V). | ||
:: Subsequent research shows the output doesn't need to be clean/stable. Ref. paper used half wave rectified AC circuit (which has high ripple output) which had same results as very-clean DC supply. Also, pulsed field electrophoresis even reverses polarity with beneficial effects, so even though we are not doing that technique here, stability isnt much of an issue either. *'''[[User:Jonathan Cline|jcline@ieee.org]] 02:52, 17 January 2009 (EST)''' | |||
Consider: using a cheap computer ATX supply feeding a voltage regulator such as an LM317 feeding a DC/DC step-up built on the model introduced in http://www.edn.com/contents/images/70804di.pdf (from http://www.edn.com/article/CA431146.html ). | Consider: using a cheap computer ATX supply feeding a voltage regulator such as an LM317 feeding a DC/DC step-up built on the model introduced in http://www.edn.com/contents/images/70804di.pdf (from http://www.edn.com/article/CA431146.html ). | ||
:: This EDN circuit "Build a transformerless 12V-to-180V dc/dc converter" at first looks great, though there is a big typo in "Table 2" which lists output current. They list output current in "mA" but it is actually in uA! So the "1000 mA" max is actually "1000 uA" == 1mA max. The text of the article references this. Based on the requirement of ~300mA for the gel, this particular circuit won't work, unfortunately. *'''[[User:Jonathan Cline|jcline@ieee.org]] 04:06, 15 January 2009 (EST)''': | |||
For $10-$20 , you get plenty of overhead (i.e. 400W max neighborhood), 50/60Hz and 110/220V independence, amp draw regulation (probably? not sure what typical protection is in the low price range), and handy plug-in molex connectors. The last point is particularly salient, if you can power more than one device with a versatile power supply. | For $10-$20 , you get plenty of overhead (i.e. 400W max neighborhood), 50/60Hz and 110/220V independence, amp draw regulation (probably? not sure what typical protection is in the low price range), and handy plug-in molex connectors. The last point is particularly salient, if you can power more than one device with a versatile power supply. | ||
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Converting a computer ATX power supply to a really useful lab power supply | Converting a computer ATX power supply to a really useful lab power supply | ||
http://www.instructables.com/id/Converting-a-computer-ATX-power-supply-to-a-really/ | http://www.instructables.com/id/Converting-a-computer-ATX-power-supply-to-a-really/ | ||
:: Covers voltages under 24v. *'''[[User:Jonathan Cline|jcline@ieee.org]] 04:06, 15 January 2009 (EST)''': | |||
How to Add Variable Voltage to Your ATX Based Bench Power Supply | How to Add Variable Voltage to Your ATX Based Bench Power Supply | ||
http://www.wikihow.com/Add-Variable-Voltage-to-Your-ATX-Based-Bench-Power-Supply | http://www.wikihow.com/Add-Variable-Voltage-to-Your-ATX-Based-Bench-Power-Supply | ||
:: Covers voltages under 24v. *'''[[User:Jonathan Cline|jcline@ieee.org]] 04:06, 15 January 2009 (EST)''': | |||
Building a Power Supply | Building a Power Supply | ||
http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?16 | http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?16 |
Latest revision as of 22:13, 25 February 2009
Feb 25 2009 *User:Philip McIntosh 21:55 (CST):
Characteristics of prototype power supply built by Phil McIntosh:
- 60-115VDC
- Max current without cooling fan: 250mA@115VDC, 80mA@60VDC (estimated)
- Max current with cooling fan: 300mA@115VDC (estimated), 110mA@60VDC
- Includes onboard analog ammeter and digital voltmeter (not installed yet)
- 0.6A fuse protection on output of input transformer
- Based on Texas Instruments TL783 125VDC regulator (Figure 18 design in product data sheet)
- Estimated cost of parts (without enclosure): $75.
Figure 5. TL783 Prototype on perf board
Figure 6. TL783 Prototype under bench test
Jan 31 2009 *jcline@ieee.org 15:53, 31 January 2009 (EST):
Minimum Specs for open gel system 2.0's P/S.
- Must be totally enclosed
- Must work with 110/220 VAC input
- Must work with 50Hz/60Hz AC input
- Outputs two fixed voltages:
- "FAST" setting is a fixed voltage anywhere in the range 90v-120v
- "SLOW" setting is a fixed voltage anywhere in the range 50v-60v
- These two voltages can be on a single connector (1 pair of banana plugs) or on separate connectors (2 separate pairs of banana plugs)
- These output voltages do not need extensive filtering, as output ripple does not matter.
- Must use red and black banana plug connectors
- Must be capable of continuous 100 mA load
- Must include either resettable CB protection or thermal protection; shutoff when electronics are over temperature or over voltage
- Must have a 2nd DC peripheral supply, rated +12V to +18V @ 5W, to supply power to 4*LED illuminator units (each are 0.4W).
- Output plug on the 2nd peripheral supply should be a medium-sized barrel connector with outside connection as ground.
- May have a 3rd DC peripheral supply, rated +5V @ 5W, to supply generic logic circuits (like microcontroller boards). This supply could eliminate clutter when using several peripherals.
- Output plug on the 3nd peripheral supply should be a different connector than the 2nd supply, to avoid mixing up the 2nd & 3rd supplies when connecting peripherals.
Jan 08, 2009, 10:34 PM
Specification Discussion
After talking to a number of people and reading the various discussion threads I propose the following specification for the Power Supply.
Edit each line to place a y (agree) or an n (disagree) for each of the line items. You do not need to justify any n's.
Feel free to add a line item you feel is important.
When all interested parties have had their "vote" we'll revisit and discuss any that have too many n's.
- *jcline@ieee.org 15:53, 31 January 2009 (EST): see new specs above
- Must be totally enclosed (y)(y)
- Must work with 110/220 VAC input (y)(y)
- Must work with 50Hz/60Hz AC input (y)
- Single channel 20-120 VDC output voltage, variable in 10 V steps (y)(y, at least)
- Must use red and black banana plug connectors (y)(y)
- Must have a voltmeter display (y)(y)
- Must be capable of continuous 300 mA load (y)(y, at least)
- TBD; current max requirement needs verification/calculation. Lower current would allow simplified design.
- Must employ resettable CB protection (y)
- Must include thermal protection; shutoff when electronics are over temperature
- Should have a secondary +12V @ 300(?)mA output for connecting peripherals (fan, pump, etc)
- CPU-size fan draws ~170mA. Pump draws (?) mA.
Jan 06, 2009
What we need: clean, stable, variable DC at 20V-100V, adjustable (possibly up to 600V).
- Subsequent research shows the output doesn't need to be clean/stable. Ref. paper used half wave rectified AC circuit (which has high ripple output) which had same results as very-clean DC supply. Also, pulsed field electrophoresis even reverses polarity with beneficial effects, so even though we are not doing that technique here, stability isnt much of an issue either. *jcline@ieee.org 02:52, 17 January 2009 (EST)
Consider: using a cheap computer ATX supply feeding a voltage regulator such as an LM317 feeding a DC/DC step-up built on the model introduced in http://www.edn.com/contents/images/70804di.pdf (from http://www.edn.com/article/CA431146.html ).
- This EDN circuit "Build a transformerless 12V-to-180V dc/dc converter" at first looks great, though there is a big typo in "Table 2" which lists output current. They list output current in "mA" but it is actually in uA! So the "1000 mA" max is actually "1000 uA" == 1mA max. The text of the article references this. Based on the requirement of ~300mA for the gel, this particular circuit won't work, unfortunately. *jcline@ieee.org 04:06, 15 January 2009 (EST):
For $10-$20 , you get plenty of overhead (i.e. 400W max neighborhood), 50/60Hz and 110/220V independence, amp draw regulation (probably? not sure what typical protection is in the low price range), and handy plug-in molex connectors. The last point is particularly salient, if you can power more than one device with a versatile power supply.
- Low cost "brick" supply is available from manufacturers such as GlobTek (Taiwan); *jcline@ieee.org 18:22, 8 January 2009 (EST):
- For example, GT(M)21097CC SERIES 50W
- "AC/DC LOW-VOLTAGE SINGLE-OUTPUT, CONSTANT-CURRENT, VOLTAGE-LIMITED SWITCHING POWER SUPPLIES(DESKTOP), UNIVERSALINPUT/IEC 320 INPUT RECEPTACLE FOR CONNECTION OF POWER SUPLYCORD SET, INTENDED FOR USE WITHIN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGYEQUIPMENTAND MEDICALELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT."
- Has Input Voltage 90v-260v @ 47Hz-63Hz (suitable for worldwide use)
- Has Output Voltage +48.0 VDC @ 0 - 1.1 A
- Cost is probably around $20-$30 per unit in low quantities.
I do not know how adding a voltage regulator (LM317 etc) and DC/DC step-ups after these affect their voltage regulating properties.
Converting a computer ATX power supply to a really useful lab power supply http://www.instructables.com/id/Converting-a-computer-ATX-power-supply-to-a-really/
- Covers voltages under 24v. *jcline@ieee.org 04:06, 15 January 2009 (EST):
How to Add Variable Voltage to Your ATX Based Bench Power Supply http://www.wikihow.com/Add-Variable-Voltage-to-Your-ATX-Based-Bench-Power-Supply
- Covers voltages under 24v. *jcline@ieee.org 04:06, 15 January 2009 (EST):
Building a Power Supply
http://www.eleinmec.com/article.asp?16