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== '''Model Simplification: Can We Learn Anything from 2D Models?''' == | == '''Model Simplification: Can We Learn Anything from 2D Models?''' == | ||
< | <big>'''From 3D to 2D'''</big> | ||
* The simplification is made possible by the similarity of the growth rates of V and W in thefull 3D Model | |||
** Complex production term is identical | |||
** Only their dissipative terms (-d1V and -d2W ) varies and does so by a constant | |||
*Consequence: Simple hypotheses lead to a very big simplification | |||
*2D analysis is much simpler, and still will give us valid prediction on whether the system will oscillate. | |||
* Required Hypotheses for Simplification | |||
** Hypothesis 1: d1=d2 | |||
** Hypothesis 2: [aiiA] = [LuxR] initially ( that is time t=0) | |||
***The assumption of d1=d2 is feasible because aiiA and LuxR within the cells will be washed out at the same rate in chemostat | |||
***As long as we can ensure the washing out rate is much more dominant than their natural half-life. (Easily achieved) | |||
*Under previous 2 Hypothesis | |||
**Both aiiA and LuxR will start at the same concentration, and same rate of production, and same rate of degradation | |||
**Hence they will be at the same concentration thoughout | |||
* System then simplifies to | |||
::[[Image:3Dmodel-simple.png]] | ::[[Image:3Dmodel-simple.png]] | ||
* '''NB''': Hypothesis 2 is not really needed | |||
** If d1=d2 W-V decays to 0 exponentially (with a time constant 1/d1) | |||
** Therefore after a little time we can assume V=W | |||
** The larger d1 is the faster the assumption becomes valid | |||
** Hence the larger the difference between initial value of V &W, the longer the settling time of reaching V=W only | |||
** In particular we are sure that the condition on the parameters for obtaining a limit cycle will be identical in 2D and 3D despite of the initial concentrations of U V W. | |||
<big>'''Problem : There is a Huge Difference Between 2D and 3D'''</big> | |||
* Poincare- Bendixson Theorem works for 1D and 2D only, not 3D!!! | |||
** We have simple requirements for a limit cycle in 2D | |||
** In 3D it is more complex - much more complex | |||
* Can we really afford to make the hypotheses and reduce the system to 2D? | |||
** If the hypotheses are exactly met: Yes! | |||
** In practice : there will be slight errors | |||
*** Slight error on Hypothesis 2: not important | |||
*** Slight error on hypothesis 1: | |||
**** [aiiA] and [LuxR] get more and more out sync | |||
**** However, if the hypotheses are almost met we can hope to have a few cycles | |||
**** We hope that the conditions on the parameter to generate limit cycle will be the same, the only differences are the amplitude & frequency difference of the oscillation in concentration of LuxR & aiiA | |||
*Studying 2D model will also help us understand 3D model more | |||
<big> '''Conclusion'''</big> | |||
* Yes there is a lot to learn from the 2D model | |||
* A word of caution: | |||
::[[Image:2d model 0b.PNG|thumb|400px|left|Simulation of Full 3D model done by Cell Designer]] | ::[[Image:2d model 0b.PNG|thumb|400px|left|Simulation of Full 3D model done by Cell Designer]] | ||
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:*The simulation above shows individual cycles of [aiiA] and [LuxR] | :*The simulation above shows individual cycles of [aiiA] and [LuxR] | ||
: | :** Frequencies are equal | ||
: | :** Profiles very similar | ||
: | :** Peak amplitudes different | ||
:*Clearly for such cycles d1=d2 was not met. We therefore have to study the 3D case in its entirety at some point | :**Clearly for such cycles d1=d2 was not met. We therefore have to study the 3D case in its entirety at some point | ||
:*However for our current interest of whether the system can result in generation, 2D case of d1=d2 should be enough | :*However for our current interest of whether the system can result in generation, 2D case of d1=d2 should be enough |
Revision as of 02:36, 30 October 2006
Analysis of the Model of the Molecular Predation Oscillator
Model Simplification: Can We Learn Anything from 2D Models?
From 3D to 2D
- The simplification is made possible by the similarity of the growth rates of V and W in thefull 3D Model
- Complex production term is identical
- Only their dissipative terms (-d1V and -d2W ) varies and does so by a constant
- Consequence: Simple hypotheses lead to a very big simplification
- 2D analysis is much simpler, and still will give us valid prediction on whether the system will oscillate.
- Required Hypotheses for Simplification
- Hypothesis 1: d1=d2
- Hypothesis 2: [aiiA] = [LuxR] initially ( that is time t=0)
- The assumption of d1=d2 is feasible because aiiA and LuxR within the cells will be washed out at the same rate in chemostat
- As long as we can ensure the washing out rate is much more dominant than their natural half-life. (Easily achieved)
- Under previous 2 Hypothesis
- Both aiiA and LuxR will start at the same concentration, and same rate of production, and same rate of degradation
- Hence they will be at the same concentration thoughout
- System then simplifies to
- NB: Hypothesis 2 is not really needed
- If d1=d2 W-V decays to 0 exponentially (with a time constant 1/d1)
- Therefore after a little time we can assume V=W
- The larger d1 is the faster the assumption becomes valid
- Hence the larger the difference between initial value of V &W, the longer the settling time of reaching V=W only
- In particular we are sure that the condition on the parameters for obtaining a limit cycle will be identical in 2D and 3D despite of the initial concentrations of U V W.
Problem : There is a Huge Difference Between 2D and 3D
- Poincare- Bendixson Theorem works for 1D and 2D only, not 3D!!!
- We have simple requirements for a limit cycle in 2D
- In 3D it is more complex - much more complex
- Can we really afford to make the hypotheses and reduce the system to 2D?
- If the hypotheses are exactly met: Yes!
- In practice : there will be slight errors
- Slight error on Hypothesis 2: not important
- Slight error on hypothesis 1:
- [aiiA] and [LuxR] get more and more out sync
- However, if the hypotheses are almost met we can hope to have a few cycles
- We hope that the conditions on the parameter to generate limit cycle will be the same, the only differences are the amplitude & frequency difference of the oscillation in concentration of LuxR & aiiA
- Studying 2D model will also help us understand 3D model more
Conclusion
- Yes there is a lot to learn from the 2D model
- A word of caution:
- The simulation above shows individual cycles of [aiiA] and [LuxR]
- Frequencies are equal
- Profiles very similar
- Peak amplitudes different
- Clearly for such cycles d1=d2 was not met. We therefore have to study the 3D case in its entirety at some point
- However for our current interest of whether the system can result in generation, 2D case of d1=d2 should be enough
- The simulation above shows individual cycles of [aiiA] and [LuxR]